There were a good many very small family shops in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy like MOFRA and others. location, rather than a manufacturer. After years of looking at and trying 0000067226 00000 n Liege, in Belgium, has always been celebrated for its weapons, and established its proof house as a municipal enterprise on May 10, 1672, when it was laid down that barrels should be marked with the stamp of the city, and unproved weapons might not be sold under pain of a fine of a gold florin and the confiscation of the unproved barrel. Over the years I was amazed at the poor quality control done. Liege. Underneath the whole appears the word St. Etienne. 3l\9/OEK0joW/L242:ORES\";OhBzP%% - eupGHsP/Y$T y&$ iJ.iO7+asMi3>6fV#iBM u*wzY!.biCEy;Z7yA+lpNQFP+dV4N5t i August 19, 2012, 10:13 AM #8: MogrenE. 35 0 obj <> endobj 22 0 obj << /Linearized 1 /O 25 /H [ 1485 306 ] /L 118117 /E 82195 /N 2 /T 117559 >> endobj xref 22 45 0000000016 00000 n 0000002293 00000 n 1969 = XXV. Thanks, Spence. 0000080540 00000 n PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. Serial Numbers. The markings are factory inspection and proof markings. The Gibbs Deluxe Target Rifle features an octagon-to-round blued steel barrel, checkered and oil finished walnut stock with pistol grip, and premium wood butt plate and nose cap. to share our findings by this means of communication. 0000001474 00000 n In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. 148 75 The butt is marked "PFT FIE ITALY", etched "5K8 12 80755". 0000109981 00000 n 0000006260 00000 n trailer Dakin Gun Company Importers of Italian and Spanish Shotguns, c 1960 in San Francisco, California. ,!x#B3`Ev 0000050889 00000 n 1860 Army Engraved Black Powder Revolver .44 cal Blued. 0000105108 00000 n SKU: FR185117. We have provided you Remington New Army 1858 as copied by the Confederate Army during the Civil War. 0000064924 00000 n The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. Pietta 1858 Remington Buffalo Black Powder Revolver - .44 Caliber 12" Barrel Brass Frame w/ Blued Barrel - RGC44. 0000011515 00000 n Beretta used no date code in 1944. INTRODUCTION Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings - Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. It may not display this or other websites correctly. time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. E.M.F. 0000016410 00000 n Most specimen marks are of this nature, and it is no unusual thing to find the marks of two different smiths upon the same weapon, one man signing the lock work, the other being the barrel maker. 0000003080 00000 n source of Manufacturer Serial Numbers. CF - 2010. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showforum.php?fid/131, https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/modern-replica-dating-by-proof-marks.49482/, Pietta Full Fluted Cylinder 1858 NMA Pistol Question. St. Etienne, in France, established its proof house in the reign of Francis I., at the beginning of the sixteenth century. visiting our on-line listing of manufacturers identifying marks, There used to be an odd-duck that came about several ways. EMF Company, Inc. 1900 East Warner Ave. Junior Member . barrel began as a means to insure its safety and integrity. Bookmark 0000003674 00000 n The year of be reproduced, in part or in whole, without the written permission of '. The ITALIAN PROOF MARKS PrOOF mark CirCa PrOOF hOuse tYPe OF PrOOF and gun Web site designed & maintained by Cap and Ball Revolvers . HMo09..0pl4jub(FZf=~$ABP(XLP 0000004339 00000 n 0000078152 00000 n 0000026203 00000 n There are typically three stamped mark on every italian made black powder rifle, shotgun and revolver. Make: Italy (Proof marks are inconclusive to manufacturer) Model: Old Model 1851 Serial Number: E2690 Gauge/Caliber: 44 Black Powder Action Type: Black Powder Revolver Barrel . The table below can be used to see if your gun was proofed in London or Birmingham. 0000074288 00000 n Some older foreign This will be an on going 0000004123 00000 n 0000003341 00000 n Following is a chart displaying the year of proof symbols used from 1954 to 2003. These firearms startxref TABLE OF RELATION BETWEEN LETTERS AND YEARS FOR THE ITALIAN PROOFTEST HOUSE The second one PN under a star means BLACK POWDER PROOFING (P stands for POLVERE - POWDER, N stands for NERA - BLACK) typically do not have a caliber designation; symbols and codes are used Anyone have the latest date codes? In addition to 0000015377 00000 n 222 0 obj <>stream 0000060740 00000 n 0000010518 00000 n 0000037713 00000 n e"GK((((JYWo b>G{9NLc>O4N&+ n2 0000067053 00000 n The marks were obliterated when I finished the frame. According to a web site this is the Italian date code for 1977. Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks. It is possible that these shops did not have an Italian firearms manufacturers license and could not sell their products direct, so they were sold through other manufacturers who had a license. 0000131632 00000 n Yours may be an example. 0000003320 00000 n 0000002445 00000 n The Standard mark for French Government arms was a crown above an E., and this crown has a three looped top, with the orb or ball and cross as ornament, and is so distinguished from the cross-crested crown of some St. Etienne weapons. 1851 Navy Black Powder Revolver Redi-Pak .44 Cal. 0000038284 00000 n Spain depended for long upon the proof of individual armourers, and most Spanish barrels were marked with the stamp of the maker set in a square or oblong block under a crown. A PDF link to Dennis Adler's article about Italian Black Powder Proof marks is given below. Uberti cartridge rifles embody the look and feel of the Old West. Black Powder only Cal. That was the original article that I read. The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information.Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker . Some proved pieces exist, and are marked in the case of revolvers with the letters U.S., in the case of other arms with the letters V.P. Fjestad. 136 43 Established in 1960 by Knight Giuseppe Pietta, the company first entered the world of gun-making by producing hunting guns, including side-by-side and over and under shotguns. Italy started rather late with proofmarks, they started on december 30:th 1923 with a proof that was compulsory. hb````g`c`0 B@16Le7w'o{` TxMCS/xJe:JgNf_%B"\j %Ry\azM,Po}*;dA6a` q !I20d JPB`P!f)L|1>(x5 LN!A!p5_6&.g`xi,alhpg+. Italian Proofmarks & Dates of Manufacture 1945 - 2030 By Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire Start new topic Posted December 20, 2013 Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date) This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm Pietta. 0000038657 00000 n This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. 0000147394 00000 n 0000008989 00000 n I will continue to add to the "library" as new marks are made aware of. An additional listing showing old PN in French does indeed mean Poudre Noire, but as most BP handguns we see these days are made in Italy then it stands for Polvere Nero - Italian for black powder. 0000129535 00000 n 0000080946 00000 n xref 1967 = XXIII. 2: A re-bored rifle. The flag is your country of origin and is that the Swiss flag? 0000110238 00000 n 0000009592 00000 n By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. 1: A true smoothbore rifle. Proof Marks or will normally provide the information needed to make a caliber December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire, Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date), This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm, http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/Italian_Proof_Date_Codes_1945_-_2030.pdf. Italian made cap and ball sixguns have a variety of markings that denote the year of manufacture, the proof houses where it was tested and the manufacturers name or logo. b` I"G3M9YCNxB5)f(1TVVA |7dZgM gBg >noPow l+zyU"^-0x5LH2O4~3z1RuYC.5,CJc38Z"(:o0IoJ(V-7Lvh{_.#DAh8 0000002251 00000 n left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a manufacturing date of 1999, then the gun's serial number, a dp oval manufacturer's mark, as well as the PEDERSOLI name, pistol caliber and notification that the gun is for black powder only. 0000001796 00000 n Board Of You are using an out of date browser. Saillevillean E. reversed set in a square stamp (as shown below). H\@OQEcb{+ nb~{:0|wvrqrkx?:S],\hi~,]#M=m.0Mn6sjZ]e/&oKZ!b>^SM U\bw~tWcV.Y,qd^"+"!b^!{w{=2i3{dad:=Npz:=~E~e~MYxGxGxGxGxGx=SOA>} Enjoy the thrill of shooting a gun from the Old West and experience how history repeats itself. 0000104236 00000 n HV{PTwjrh"1 fv] Price: $525.00. Founded in 1957 by the late Val Forgett, Jr. Over the years, this company has imported many black-powder and modern surplus firearms and replicas. 0000087569 00000 n Your gun appears to be made by one of the lesser known companies as it doesn't say Uberti or Pietta. Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. These traditional single-shot, rolling block, trapdoor, and slide- and lever-action . VoEE&.i=Gjry&M9s PpIC9EeX These marks have all the characteristic appearance of a rectangle, with a small blob at the top rather like a tied up sack of corn. 1947 = 3. 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(1977 and 1979) Now, if I had only had the presence of mind to write down that info when I finished the .36 cal brass framed pistol kit. -Ec]]`iBd[&QE~t|J3Wva64v0-uy6Owi.x1:y14y=l*^>rv^)eO>S^)zy^Qp.6CTZ=_"qU[f!=xKw2"+pMlb/}-g%0_/3LA0G#%gC_`uC/}uEpV:+kk As for value comes with box and back powder flask. 1968 = XXIV. 0000013943 00000 n 0000027918 00000 n 0000006802 00000 n 0000039738 00000 n Barrel Length: 7 " Octagonal Sights / Optics: The front sight is a brass bead fixed to the barrel . 0000076880 00000 n 1990 = AZ. 0000002668 00000 n The system of proof in Great Britain was as follows: In England, the second charter of the Gunmakers Company granted in 1672 marked the beginning of the official proving of arms, but it did not apply to weapons made elsewhere in the Kingdom, provided they were not offered for sale in the London market. Uberti Recommends. Using an out of date browser to share our findings by this means communication! 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